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| Jews of color | [21] | Bechirah | 17 Mar 19:23 | 20 Jun 17:20 | ||
| Feedback for Inappropriate Profiles | [12] | Anonymous | 16 Jan 23:07 | 5 Apr 11:24 | ||
| marriage & prostitution | [28] | SimpleMan | 13 Mar 14:57 | 4 Apr 20:01 | ||
| Evil plan to get more dates | [35] | Anonymous | 6 Jan 01:19 | 18 Feb 11:50 | ||
| Get together in Brooklyn | [2] | Single&Frum | 23 Mar 16:56 | 18 Feb 11:45 | ||
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Evil plan to get more dates |
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We live in an age of information, and information wants to be free. Unfortunately, there are those who like to keep information locked up in the dungeon so they can squeeze the lifeblood out of it. Here's a simple plan to help make JDating cheaper and simpler for everyone. It's a way to contribute free information and to therefore make the world a better place, whether you personally benefit from it or not. Tell all your friends who have a membership on the well-known JDating websites such as JDate and Frumster to create a profile on KosherStars that uses the same exact screen name. Word will soon get out that if you see someone interesting on Frumster but aren't sure if they're paying members or not, you can always contact them on KosherStars by looking up the same exact screen name, and thereby not force them to shell out money just to reply to you. Everyone who takes this advice will give those who they email on the “premium” websites another way to reply to them. This also helps KosherStars reach the critical mass where you can meet as people on KosherStars as there are paying members on the other Frum dating websites. It's rare that by helping yourself you also help Klal Yisroel. Try to take advantage by spreading this “Evil Plan”. |
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| By: Anonymous - Do the right thing | |
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Hahahahahah! I love it! But only because you called it 'evil'! :-) The truth is that one of the biggest problems is that this site is free. And I know that we Jews are all about finding a real metziah, however, anyone with an MBA will tell you that given the choice between two products that are exactly the same, a person is more likely to choose the one that is called premium and costs more. |
| ♥Ari♥ 4 Jan 9PM |
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Then why do so many people drink tap water in restaurants? The key though is to focus on the "evil side". By using the same exact screen name on this website you are "beating the system" and help prevent people from extorting money off of those looking for dates. |
| Anonymous - Do the right thing - 4 Jan 9PM |
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Let's be fair. frumster also started out as a free site and, until it was extensively developed. huge amounts of time were being spent serving free members. i don't know whether their original intention was to later become profit making, but i do know that when they asked members to pay, they stated that they could no longer manage to do all the work and assume the expenses for free. They charge a modest rate compared to jdate. Ari and team are to be congratulated and appreciated for taking the initiative to start kosherstars and to work on it as volunteers, bringing new dimensions to jewish social networking (not just dating). But, there is no need to berate others for asking that users pay for the labor, supplies and services such a site requires. What is clear, however, is that few users will pay for multiple memberships in Jewish sites. And, it would not be helpful to the Jewish people if people registered for one site only and ended up scattered on various sites - splitting the market and making it harder to create shidduchim. Kosherstars, operating as it does now, expands the horizons of what can be done with a site and, in addition, makes it possible for everyone to access potential shidduchim, whether or not they can also afford frumster or other sites . |
| Nomi 5 Jan 4PM |
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here's my take on pay sites: when people spend money for a service, especially jews, it means they're serious about utilizing the service. In that respect, i would think that a higher percentage of "premium" members are serious about finding a mate/marriage if they're shelling out the money on a persistent basis. Essentially, their wallet is vouching that they're not playing games. So pay sites have their advantages. |
| Anonymous - 5 Jan 5PM |
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Actually Frumster rejected me -- twice! so i'm just thrilled that Ari accepted me :-) I frankly didn't like frumter's overtones when filling out their questionnaire, they seemed a little overly frum for me. Sooo, my point is in case you were wondering, i don't think frumster and kosherstars are different just in terms of terms of cost, i think ari and his website are more easygoing, flexible, and open-minded than frumster. JDate is for the secular, Frumster for the frummies, and kosherstars for the normal people :-) just kidding, no offense intended. |
| SimpleMan 5 Jan 6PM |
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kosherstars kind of reminds me of facebook, but with more weight to dating and matchmaking. |
| Anonymous - 5 Jan 6PM |
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SimpleMan, You make it seem like it was that easy to get accepted. You left out the part about me rejecting your profile and you agreeing to wash my dishes and do my laundry for access to the site. It's a good thing you know people who know people! :-) |
| ♥Ari♥ 5 Jan 8PM |
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KosherStars should have Premium members. Let people become Sponsors, if only so Anonymous from 5PM will consider this website as good as Frumster. |
| Anonymous - Do the right thing - 5 Jan 10PM |
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Nomi, Frumster and JDate have already been very well remunerated for the work they did. Even if they would shut down tomorrow, they would have been more than reimbursed for their time, investment, and opportunity costs, as well as for the risks that they've taken. There work here is done, and we should do what it takes to duplicate their network effects bu cloning their member profiles one by one. |
| Anonymous - Do the wrong thing - 6 Jan 1AM |
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Nomi, Frumster was bought out by investors. The people who are running it are money hungry sleazebags who just want to turn that site into a big moneymaking whore. I know this for a fact, but it isn't hard to believe this by just looking at what they are doing with the service and their new policies that are made to 'help' us as they say, or because we 'askled' for them. I think kosherstars is a great service in comparison, and it's good to see one person who is trying to build an honest site. |
| Anonymous - Ex-frumster - 6 Jan 9AM |
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viva la kosher stars! :-) |
| SimpleMan 6 Jan 3PM |
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KosherStars should encourage you to list all the other websites where you have profiles. There should be a section where you can say “Find other versions of my profile at the following websites”, and let people give the list. It will subtly send the message that if someone on KosherStars may contact you on Frumster (to make sure you paid for it), then someone on Frumster may contact you on KosherStars to help beat the system – but only if you use the same screen name in both places. Remember, if you are using the same screen name, please make sure to change the jokes and essays a bit. You may as well present a slightly different aspect of your personality. The key to this evil plan is the network effect. We really need everyone to do it. SassyChick is a hero here for using the same name on her Frumster profile and her KosherStars Profile. If everyone else on Frumster did the same thing – what a wonder world it would be. Tell your friends to join the dark side. This battle will be fought one cloned profile at a time. |
| Anonymous - Do the right thing - 7 Jan 10PM |
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I don't buy the argument that Frumster's invasive gathering of personal information, names, addresses, references, whatever and the high costs will indicate the seriousness of the person. A basic member who at one point could contact other members can no longer do that without kowtowing to Frumsters new 'paying and information squeeze' and so some of us left. Frumsky was a breath of fresh air and I for one totally appreciate Ari's work and the promise that the free site will remain free. Certainly on Frumster and other Jewish sites you are not allowed to post an email message within the profile. Some people do and certain sites ghost it out and you can't respond to the person if you are expired on the free site and if you are not a full member. Some members post it in a cryptic way and get away with it and others don't. It is a great idea and I have done this, to indicate in your profile on these other sites, your frumsky affiliation and identity. Then you can continue corresponding on Frumsky and then graduate to your own email address should you wish. The only downside for you is that the person has to join Frumsky (which of course is good for Frumsky and they deserve added membership) but you open up that person to the competion (but if you really are meant for each other, it really won't matter because Hakadash Borachu will look after you..and if you are not meant to be with each other, then maybe you will be ostensibly responsible for making an unknown shiddich because someone else on the site was meant for that other person or meant for you). So really, its a win-win situation for everybody. Please tell everybody you know on Frumster, Jewish Cafe or wherever to find you on Frumsky or to sign up on Frumsky, if you know them personally. Hatzlacha to Ari and Frumsky volunteers and my personal thanks to you and my best wishes to everybody on the site to find their beloved soul mate who they will enjoy until 120 years. AMEN |
| here I am 8 Jan 1AM |
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Sorry, I'm still thinking in terms of Frumsky, wish you hadn't changed the name because KosherStars is not on the tip of my tongue and I continue to mistakenly called it Frumsky, but we still get connected. B.H. thus far. |
| here I am 8 Jan 1AM |
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One of the reasons I decided to change it from frumsky, was because so many people confused it with frumster and I didn't really want to be closely associated with them. I'm still getting mixed reviews on the name change. I'm unsure what to do just yet, but I have other more important issues to handle. |
| ♥Ari♥ 8 Jan 9AM |
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SassyChick, All you need to do is use the same screen name in both places. If enough people start to do it, soon everyone one on Frumster who sees an interesting profile will check to see if they can contact them on KosherStars. To encourage more people to do this I created a game called Evil. It may look a lot like the game Match, but it helps make the world a better place so I call it Evil. Try to find all the people on Frumster who were considerate enough to use the same exact screen name on KosherStars. Have fun. |
| Anonymous - Do the right thing - 8 Jan 8PM |
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I'm shocked, isn't the intention to round up people per say to "decrease anothers business" for lack of a better word unethical? Perhaps in some degree contrary to some halacha related to kindness? The only reason I ever used the same name was with no knowledge or intention other to make it easy for me to remember with all that I have taken on. I wouldn't want to deliberately shortchange a service. Now I have to think about this and take the time to change everything? But then if someone sees my picture they always know and the age. Perhaps I am excused and the websites can worry or wonder and so can you. I just find it easier to remember my username this way. Looking for dirt in places may be exciting for some, but aren't there more important lessons to concentrate on? After reading the comments, I wonder about the collective mindset of the types of people on this web site in terms of their interest in working on themselves to have less animosity with others!? |
| Anonymous - just a thought? - 10 Jan 1AM |
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'Just a thought?', If you have a membership on another (presumably pay) site, why did you register here? Aren't you decreasing their business by subscribing to this free alternative? |
| Anonymous - 10 Jan 2AM |
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I don't think things of this nature are under the rubric of hasagas gvul for a number of reasons. Firstly, being that the internet is a global "market" you can't demand of anyone to "not enter it" because someone has already entered first and set a precedent. Hasagas gvul, i think, only applies to not impinging upon a person's individual communal territory but a person can't come and claim the entire jewish american internet browsing population as "his territory". Also no mandate can be put on someone (like Ari) who wishes to offer a service for free or on others who wish to refer their friends to someone who is willing to perform for them a service for free . That's like saying it's assur for me to offer to shovel my neighbors driveway for free because i'll be taking away from the neighborhood boys who'll be charging $20 for the service. |
| SimpleMan 10 Jan 2AM |
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'just a thought?' has a point. Why else would DTRT call his scheme "evil plan" if not that there were some element of truth to it? The idea is kosher and SimpleMan is mostly right, but the intent here is very deliberate: to take away business from someone else. Its been said numerous times above: "Frumster and JDate have already been very well remunerated for the work they did" "The people who are running it are money hungry sleazebags" So how about we go easy on the rhetoric, not make this an enterprise to take over the world DTRT, and make this a game of friendly competition rather than one of driving the competition into the ground. Over time the free market awards those who deserve it (and it can be done ethically). And by the way, Richard Stallman is a naive idealist. |
| Anonymous - NotRMS - 10 Jan 5PM |
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stewart brand, as well. but the world needs people like that. |
| Anonymous - NotRMS - 10 Jan 5PM |
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who's richard stallman and stewart brand?? |
| SimpleMan 10 Jan 10PM |
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"Information Wants To Be Free. Information also wants to be expensive. Information wants to be free because it has become so cheap to distribute, copy, and recombine---too cheap to meter. It wants to be expensive because it can be immeasurably valuable to the recipient. That tension will not go away. It leads to endless wrenching debate about price, copyright, 'intellectual property', the moral rightness of casual distribution, because each round of new devices makes the tension worse, not better." -Stewart Brand (Spoken at the first Hackers' Conference, 1984, and printed in the May 1985 "Whole Earth Review". It later turned up in his book, "The Media Lab: Inventing the Future at MIT," published in 1987.) |
| Anonymous - NotRMS - 11 Jan 12AM |
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For some reason Ari is correct, given two identical products, people will go with the one that states it is a premium service. Even if the only thing “better” is that they charge. However I do not believe this explains everything.... Jdate and Frumster both advertise (heavily) in Jewish media. I could be wrong, but I have not seen a paid advert from KosherStars. – So I guess one could say those of us on KosherStars are among those who are not lemmings following whatever the marketing people want us to believe. So non-lemmings of the world UNITE!! Wait, if we did that wouldn’t we need a leader? Then we might turn into lemmings… argh! |
| Harper 11 Jan 9AM |
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Frumster is as traif as JDate. In fact it is more, because JDate makes no statement that it is for religious Jews. Frumster is becoming a bigger and bigger scam every day. |
| Anonymous - Ex-Frumster - 11 Jan 11AM |
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I wonder if they make fun of KosherStars on Frumster and JDate? |
| Anonymous - George - 29 Jan 9PM |
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I'm tempted to put in my frumster profile "I'm trying everything I can to find my Bashert, y'know, kosherstars,dosidate,etc., but if I don't find you, you'll have to find me!" therefore putting your wonderful plan into effect, but I suspect the results will be the same as sassychick's....... "Hello member, please don't do that again!" I don't remember what screen name I'm using with frumster -- I'll have to go check! |
| Anonymous - EvilPlanFollower-1 - 21 Mar 11AM |
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If you want to promote KosherStars, it's not enough just to ask people to sign up with the same screen name... you need to get them to actually fill out their profiles as well. |
| Judyf112 18 Feb 11AM |
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